on which all the evil consequences of Vatican II can be pinned is singularly unconvincing.However, these remarks were made only three days after the shock announcement of his abdication, and the clarity of expression which characterized most of his discourse as Pope was on this occasion lacking. But MT would be quite at home in Stalinist Russia, denouncing 'enemies of the people'. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. Papal Style: Caring for Souls while Leaving Doctrinal Exposition to Others, To the Left, We’re the Heretics—and the Inquisition Is Coming. He’s going to have bad days. With no limits anymore. Francesco Arzillo, author of the first, is a magistrate from Rome who is an appreciated writer of essays on philosophy and theology. Counterpoint for its history", LEV, Vatican City 2005, p. 407) - it turned out that the work of the "school of Bologna" was largely published with great historical and ideological gaps, both as regards private council journals, but above all because it was performed without the support of official documents essential for understanding the Magno Synod, such as the Acts of its governing bodies and the general secretariat. In fact, I believe that the current "crisis" from which the Catholic Church suffers is also caused by this abandonment, by the question of its correct hermeneutics, the one announced precisely by Pope Benedict XVI, that is, not "of rupture and discontinuity, but of reform and renewal in the continuity of the one subject Church ". Sandro Magister (born 2 October 1943) is an Italian journalist who writes for the magazine L'espresso. I wish that Pope Emeritus had the strength to take on the recent nonsense that Archbishop Viganò and Bishop Schneider espoused in regard to Vatican II.I know that he has blessed us for decades with a wealth of material that has revealed the authentic Vatican II.Unfortunately, right-wingers and left-wingers have ignored Father, Cardinal, Pope, Pope Emeritus Joseph Ratzinger's valuable writings and addresses that have presented unto us the authentic Vatican II.I realize that today, even if he had the energy to discuss at length Vatican II, that the Church's right-wing, as represented by Archbishop Viganò and Bishop Schneider — that ilk — would dismiss Pope Emeritus' presentation(s) of the Council.The left-wing would also ignore Pope Emeritus.But at least among the overwhelming amount of Catholics who don't belong to the Church's extreme wings, those with the desire to encounter the true Council would obtain the truth about the orthodox Second Sacred Vatican Ecumenical Council.Pax.Mark Thomas. Praying that happens quickly before you hijack anymore threads on this blog. But I think I owe you these lines that touch my "love", the Vatican II Ecumenical Council. In a letter of 7 October 2013 addressed to him and then made public, Pope Francis himself wrote to him: "Once I said to you, dear Archbishop Marchetto, and today I want to repeat it, that I consider you the best hermeneut of Vatican Council II". The WDTPRS blog is purely an echo chamber of sycophants - otherwise known as the narcissist’s playground! I ASK; YOU ANSWER. Again, I thought Fr Hunwicke’s views on Vatican II stated on his blog (Mutual Encouragement) recently we’re very insightful and the comments that followed were also mostly interesting and insightful.PG. the media coverage of the traditionalist criticisms of Vatican II, with annexes and connections, is quite worrying and in some ways surprising. It is easier for us today to consider en bloc, for example, the outcome of the Christological councils of the first centuries; but we cannot ignore the centuries-old interpretative conflicts that took centuries to settle, even after the Council of Chalcedon in 451. According to the method proper to all biblical revelation. And in fact the Council itself, in the dogmatic constitution 'Lumen gentium' (13), faithfully following Tradition, clearly distinguishes between the call of all men to salvation and the actual membership of believers in the communion of Jesus Christ. © 2020 The Catholic Thing. https://catholicfamilynews.com/blog/2020/07/29/prominent-italian-theologian-defends-archbishop-viganos-vatican-ii-critique-take-off-the-dogma-and-you-will-unleash-the-antichrist/A better article. "I do not think we can follow this method, nor the method of “throwing the baby out with the bath water.” With regard to a legitimate ecumenical Council, even if there were negative points, we have to maintain an overall attitude of respect. The problem therefore is not the fact of interpretation, but the identification of the related criteria. H,Are you saying Father Z's blog is just like Pray Tell where only the sycophants remarks are allowed? Look at any metric and the Church is far worse off than it was before. EVEN CARDINAL KASPER SEEMS TO HAVE UNDERGONE A CAT... SANDRO MAGISTER, JUST IN CASE YOU CAN’T GET ENOUGH... O MY! "But the real force of the Council was present and, slowly but surely, established itself more and more and became the true force which is also the true reform, the true renewal of the Church. His extensive knowledge of all things "Asian" should keep him quite comfortable there, and perhaps he can start his own self promoting blog highlighting his great personal Holy Devotion to all things Vatican II. Vatican II, as implemented, was a flop. The AP reporter writes that ‘Francis’ obsession with Satan’ is because he has mentioned the devil ‘on a handful of occasions’ within a [...], The apostolic visitation of the Legion of Christ was wrapped up this month, and the contents of the final report will be revealed in late April. http://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com/2020/07/what-is-to-be-done-about-council.htmlEven if a valid and magisterial Council, V2 is very poor one like Vienne was and is now forgotten. Z would never put up with someone like him). With Fr Hunwicke scholarship is tempered with whimsy; he delights in paradox and irony, preaches the most entertaining yet thought-provoking homilies, and as a lecturer can hold an audience spellbound when he is the last to speak at the end of a long day.His critique of what he calls 'Bergoglianism' is trenchant but well-founded, and his contempt for the 'ultrahyperueberpapalism' of certain Francis sycophants would have been shared by St John Henry Newman. This is not the first complaint we have had about it either, and I suspect it won't be the last. Vatican II is here to stay so get used to it (or get out)! This is a simple, great example of hermeneutics of continuity applied to a fundamental point of Catholic doctrine, for which the Christian is not such by nature, but by grace. For example, on the traditionalist side the statement of "Gaudium et spes" 22 is often referred to according to which "with the incarnation the Son of God united himself in a certain way with every man" ("cum omni homine quodammodo se univit" ). I get that. It's almost hilarious to hear our resident "expert" opine that Schneider, Vigano and others are sowing "confusion" by finally giving some clarity about what is wrong with Vatican II. THE LETTER OF THE THEOLOGIAN FRANCESCO ARZILLO. He wishes to accompany those in irregular situations with the Church and/or Vatican II and allow diversity in acceptance of its teachings not only on Vatican II but illicit marriage and the like. We even go so far as to say that hermeneutics, interpretation, should be excluded from the doctrinal field. I will listen to their voices in regard to Vatican II.Father Hunwicke, Archbishop Viganò, and Bishop Schneider sow confusion and promote mutiny in regard to the Second Sacred Vatican Ecumenical Council. | German All are welome is the mantra you should be chanting not one of exclusion especially of those who don't accept Vatican II anymore or never did. Francis scoffed at a spiritual bouquet people offered him. Among them, a criterion of diachronic and synchronic totality must certainly be recognized. Fr. A strange Easter message, coming from a pope, for a resurrection wholly and solely political. THIS MAN DOES NOT SPEAK WITH FORKED TONGUE. Francis is a human being. "Not in Africa and Asia. Mark Thomas,Thanks for your daily dose of Imodium nonsense. This poor little boy evidently didn't grow up in the 60's and 70's when this nonbinding "pastoral" council was imposed subjectively and gave birth to the great confusion that we are still dealing with. Indeed, we went into the factual, claimed reception of the Great Synod, skipping the intermediate step of hermeneutic weighting. THE NATIONAL CHISMATIC REPORTER (NCR), AKA, SCHISM... BISHOP ELECT STEPHEN PARKES MEETS THE AUGUSTA MAFIA. November 6, 2020 Donald Trump and the Politics of Charity by Michael Warren Davis “We are a working-class party now. This is especially due to the introduction of "new parameters" or "new ecclesial pragmatics" which does not worry too much about this continuity, thanks also to the exorbitant evaluation of the "signs of the times". But this does not mean that every linguistic change or every accent shift implies a doctrinal contradiction. E-mail: email@example.com Postal address: Sandro Magister, "L'espresso", via C. Colombo 90, 00147 Roma Site design by Theo Nelki. Crisis Magazine is a project of Sophia Institute Press. Perhaps Lomotil will take care of your " mouth issue". he Holy Father appears determined to ensure that the aims of his papacy will endure after he is gone. In fact there is a novelty: I want to say that up to the beginning of this summer there were many who testified the fall of interest - let's say so - for the last Great Synod, despite my high lai. I understand why Joseph Ratzinger, who was a peritus at Vatican II when the Rhine flowed into the Tiber, would be loath to criticize the Council directly, but his postulation of a 'virtual Council' or 'Council of the media' (which media?) Sandro Magister has a damning verdict on the Pope’s Easter missive to his pet popular movements: Here, made public for the first time, is the full text of the letter. Pax.Mark Thomas. In terms of the new cardinals Pope Francis has appointed and the key positions given to some of them and the men he has not elevated to the cardinalate, t he Holy Father appears determined to ensure that the aims of his papacy will endure after he is gone. With regard to the reception of the sacraments by the divorced and remarried, is there the possibility of a change [...], One Vatican specialist (Sandro Magister) headlined a recent article thus: The Hundred Days of Francis and the Enigma of the Empty Chair. Both Bert Einstein and Warren Buffet liked to draft their writings so that a sixth grader could understand them. All Rights Reserved. Both on the issue - now more disputed than ever - of the Second Vatican Council. Heretic’s or Catholic’s, Vatican Zero, this will push the empty suit, MT, over the top. Archbishop Agostino Marchetto, author of the second, in diplomacy until 2010, is one of the most systematic scholars of Vatican Council II, as well as a fierce critic of the reconstruction of that event produced by the "Bologna school" founded by Giuseppe Dossetti and then directed by Giuseppe Alberigo and Alberto Melloni. Today, then, we can resort to that extraordinary source of knowledge of Pope Paul VI which is the Diary of Cardinal Pericles Felici, a publication edited by me. The use of the adverbial phrase "quodammodo" (which, moreover, is typical of the great classical theology, inspired not by the criteria of geometric-mathematical uniqueness, but respectful of the Mystery), however, warns us to draw hasty conclusions. And there it was, at the top of his and a hundred other articles, now the most famous chair in Christendom, conspicuously empty, with all around it immaculately becassocked curial cardinals, bishops and [...], Bethany Blankley writes in the Christian Post Opinion website that "The mainstream media is at it again": “‘The Pope And The Devil: Is Francis an Exorcist?’ an Associated Press (AP) headline reads. By Sandro Magister lifesitenews.com — February 27, 2020 (L'Espresso) — The explosion of individual desires transformed into rights for all is a matter of daily news, in the West and beyond. "It seems to me that, 50 years after the Council, we see that this virtual Council is broken, is lost, and there now appears the true Council with all its spiritual force. "=======================================================================I stand with Pope (Emeritus) Benedict XVI.His knowledge, deep insight, and analysis of Vatican II, has, during the past 60 or so years, been unsurpassed among Churchmen.He knows what he's talking about when it comes to Vatican II. Sandro Magister, Settimo Cielo. Meanwhile, the organization has come forward with an official statement about their founder, Father Maciel, and the future of the order: We had thought and hoped that the accusations [...]. If he DOES get a dissenting or valid question that is sincere or worth responding to, he often posts about the topic. ", You forgot about him pulling his hand away when the people were trying to kiss his ring. Paradoxically, then, we end up talking too much and almost exclusively about Vatican II, which is a Council already "metabolized" by theologians as well as by the faithful, starting from the next generation: a fairly contradictory position (if we want, even on a logical level) with respect to the traditional premises of those who profess it. | Portuguese, Quartet for the End of Time by Olivier Messiaen. 2. He should really go over to Father Z's website and argue with him:"Francis has a mean streak. Big Nose Kavanaugh,You are an exclusionist just like your political party - if you don't drool for more and more abortions you cannot be a party standard bearer. Dear Mr. Magister, Permit me to reply to your article “Archbishop Viganò on the Brink of Schism,” published at Settimo Cielo on June 29 . "Father Hunwicke and Bishop Schneider differ radically in regard to Vatican II. IS VATICAN II THE BLAME FOR THIS AND OTHER ABSURID... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! Therefore they can be misinterpreted. It would serve the 2 fold purpose of giving MT his own space for his devoted ramblings, while relieving the rest of us of the burden of his incessant hijacking of this blog. Key phrase: ...“new ecclesial pragmatics" which does not worry too much about this continuity, thanks also to the exorbitant evaluation of the "signs of the times".Indeed. In a remarkable article published in the magazine "30 Days" in 2010, the great Jesuit biblical scholar Ignace de la Potterie recalled the previous Thomistic according to which "considering the generality of men, all the time in the world, Christ is the head of all men, but according to different degrees "(" Summa theologica "III, 8, 3) and explained: "But if the words" according to different degrees "and" in a certain way "were not removed from the phrase" Summa theologica "and from the phrase" Gaudium et spes ", all the data of the Catholic faith would not be respected. He ridiculed people in Chile who were horrified by a bishop who covered up child abuse.These are not massive ecclesial decisions (like abandoning Catholics in China or wiping out the John Paul II Institute or refusing to answer officially submitted dubia or avoiding transparency and alacrity in investigating a pernicious ex-cardinal), but they are signals. First of all, there is an emphasis on the Council as an "event": with a singular methodological subordination to the well-known concepts of progressive brand (of the "Bologna school" but not only). 3 July 2020 Saint Irenaeus, Bishop and Martyr Dear Mr. Magister, Permit me to reply to your article “ Archbishop Viganò on the Brink of Schism,” published at Settimo Cielo on June 29 . All rights reserved. Here follows the full English translation of His Excellency’s letter of response to Sandro Magister, reprinted with permission: 3 July 2020. “If you think that your priests and bishops are not saints, then be one for them.” — Robert Cardinal Sarah I know that many of our readers were irate over USCCB president Archbishop José Gomez’s statement on the 2020 election. Perhaps thinking, erroneously, that "what made boss has". An opinion: the letters are too long and complicated for the casual reader to understand. It is only a matter of proceeding on the basis of the "intellectus fidei", putting aside the postulates and apriorisms proper to certain practices that are likely to affect also in the field of politics, ecclesiastical and otherwise. It might be a bit severe to dismiss Father Z as a seeker of sycophants. 1. He is certainly scholarly but wears his scholarship in a different way than does (say) Peter Kwasniewski (whom I have also met, admire and whose musical knowledge I have benefited from). I get the impression that he reads all of his comments, but he doesn't have time for a lot of foolishness and doesn't bother with so many of the ridiculous dissents that one might encounter in such a forum (I'm sure one name comes to mind for all of us who post here--Fr. THE COASTAL REGION OF GEORGIA REPORTS COVID-19 STA... SHOULD THE CHURCH CONTINUE TO KOWTOW TO THE STATE ... TOO HIGH, TOO LOW OR JUST RIGHT? This is not enough, because the serious initial historical-ideological conditioning of the vision of Vatican II as an "event" has remained (see the French historiography, for the historical vision, especially after "Les Annales"), which leads the correct interpretation. Pierre said..."Vatican II, as implemented, was a flop. Acceptance of Vatican II and being critical of one who chronically hijaks a blog....no matter what he is rambling about are 2 different issues. THE "CIRCULAR" OF ARCHBISHOP AGOSTINO MARCHETTO. Sandro Magister publishes two articles, a google translation: I receive and publish the following two letters. That’s the future.” — Senator Josh Hawley I’ve held off on writing a post-election column, hoping against hope that the votes would be counted quickly and fairly. Site designed by Hyperdo Media. Unfortunatley The Imodium doesn't seem to be effective. I have in my mind’s eye the episode of him mocking an altar boy who had his hands together, as he was taught, or gossiping derisively about a priest getting a cassock and Roman hat at Euroclero after having inveighed against gossiping many times. I think Father McDonald is very wise in his assessment. I would like to propose that we start a "Go Fund Me" page for Mark Thomas, with the noble purpose of buying this poor rambling soul a one way ticket on a slow boat to China. I suppose that was naïve. I will not report here, but instead two remarks, namely that there is no mention of the need for non-rupture (accepted instead from the extreme positions radicalized after Vatican II, with weakening of the intermediate interpretation, that is to say, of the "et ... et" hermeneutics, that is the so-called "traditional", a quite different category than those who are called "traditionalists") and little emphasis is given to the "continuity of the one subject Church". Look at any metric and the Church is far worse off than it was before. happy holidays, if you can enjoy it! Go hereto read the rest. Think of the need, recently defended by me, of the use of the language of "substance" also in Eucharistic matter ("transubstantiation"). Tuesday, November 10, 2020. The following is why I adhere to Rome's teachings, as well as my holy bishop, who is in communion with Pope Francis:Father Hunwicke has assured us that Vatican II is "irrelevant," and should be tossed aside.Bishop Schneider said that some "who criticize the Second Vatican Council say that, although there are good aspects to it, it’s somewhat like a cake with a bit of poison in it, and so the whole cake needs to be thrown out. Just like alcoholics, we must admit the problem, before we can solve it. But in this way the unacceptable radical hermeneutic philosophies (which reduce the truth - and ultimately the same being - an interpretative event) are confused with the physiological use of the believing intellect in the comparison with the dogmatic texts: use that has always existed and which must respond to certain canons, of which the ultimate guarantor always remains the ecclesial magisterium. Can I ask, do you think Fr Hunwicke’s blog is a similar “echo chamber”? Of course it is true that dogmatic formulas have an immediate sense, potentially knowable by anyone (it is the basis of the common sense doctrine). It is evident that on some things it is not possible to settle. Copyright 2020 The Catholic Thing. Now, since the beginning of the summer, there has been an unfolding of an interest which is also revealed in conflicting relationships. It affects birth and death, technology and the environment, politics and migration, in short, the very nature of man. But if further interpretative and doctrinal questions arise in reading them, they must (and have always been) faced with the method proper to Catholic theology. THIS MIGHT BE BEATING A DEAD HORSE, BUT HOW HAS GO... SELF ABSORPTION AND THE CORRUPTION OF THE TRUE CHURCH. Creation, According to Ratzinger (and a couple of other guys), At bishops’ meeting, it’s mostly McCarrick, Pope Francis: Pray that robots don’t turn against us, Two priests on the way ahead after McCarrick. | Italian Fr. Sandro Magister. ". For its correct hermeneutics", LEV, Vatican City 2012, p. 380) I draw the belief that even those who recall, praising them, other hermeneutic tendencies, that of Peter Hünermann, for example, or John W. O'Malley, Gilles Routhier or Christoph Theobald, actually brings polluted water to the same mill.
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